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What Happens if I Get 6 Points Within 2 Years of Driving?

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After passing your driving test, there’s a lifetime of freedom and enjoyment awaiting you. But with great power comes great responsibility, and drivers who break the rules risk punishment. Depending on the offence, you may receive points—known as endorsements—on your licence. And, since the New Drivers Act of 1995 came into force, accumulating 6 points within your first 2 years of driving will cause your licence to be revoked.


What does a revoked licence mean?

Having your driving licence revoked effectively means that it has been cancelled. You won’t be allowed to drive again until you’ve got a new provisional licence—when you’ll be subject to the same rules as any other learner driver. You can only drive with a full licence again when you’ve proven you can drive safely—by resitting both the theory and practical tests.

Revocation isn’t the same as a driving disqualification, which is often reserved for more serious offences, such as drink—or drug—driving. Getting disqualified from driving means that you are banned from getting behind the wheel for a certain period of time, although you will not usually have to resit your test.


What actions will result in points on my licence?

Driving while talking on the phone

Most driving offences can earn you endorsements on your driving licence. Speeding, following another vehicle too closely, or not having insurance can all result in points on your licence—as can other, less obvious, offences, like failing to tell the DVLA when you move house.

The punishment is proportionate to the severity of the offence, with some offences, like driving while on the phone, earning you 6 points. As a new driver, that means your driving licence will be revoked immediately if you’re caught texting behind the wheel. Even the least serious endorsable offences carry penalties of 3 points—blow your second chance, and you’ll be back to square one. Want to know more about this? Head on over to the top 10 most common driving offences in 2018.


Why is there a 6 point limit in the first 2 years of driving?

The 24 month probationary period isn’t a punishment for new drivers; it’s in place to protect all road users against inexperience. Sure, you’ve nailed your practical test, but driving solo is a whole other venture. It takes time—and a lot of journeying—to build experience.

The limit is also there to emphasise the importance of following the rules of the road. It’s amazing how quickly bad habits can form when there’s no longer anyone there to remind you to watch your speed, or check your mirrors. Having your licence revoked for 2 relatively minor offences—which, combined, make 6 points—might seem harsh, but taking a step back and reassessing your driving skills is far better than risking a more serious incident.

If you manage to rack up 6 points within 2 years, then you’re already well on the way to facing a lengthy disqualification—which usually occurs when you reach 12 points over 3 years. A reminder of the rules of the road would be beneficial before you’re let loose on your own again.


What if I got points on my provisional licence?

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As a learner, you’re held to the same standard as any qualified driver—which means you can receive points if you break the law. They go on your provisional licence; any endorsements that are still valid are then transferred to your full driving licence when you pass your test.

These points will count towards your 6 point limit during your 2 year probationary period.

According to the DVLA, getting 6 points on your provisional licence will not prevent you from sitting your practical test. However, if you acquire any more points during the 2 years after passing, your licence will be revoked immediately.


How can I avoid getting penalty points on my licence?

Of course, the best way to avoid points on your licence is to make sure you’re fully prepared for driving alone before you take your test. This means making sure you have enough hours of driving under your belt, preferably under instruction from a competent driving instructor.

Build your experience by taking advantage of the new rules allowing learners to drive on motorways during lessons, and don’t be afraid to ask your instructor questions throughout your course.

Unfortunately, it’s not possible to cover every eventuality during your driving lessons. Once you’re safely through your test, it might be a good idea to check out pass plus courses, to get you confident on driving in different situations and conditions. Taking a Pass Plus course can also help you cut the costs of your young driver insurance premiums.

If you’re caught for an endorsable offence, the only way to avoid getting the points is if you are offered a speed awareness course as an alternative. Eligibility depends on a number of factors, such as whether you’ve already been on a course within the previous 3 years, or have already been convicted of that same offence (e.g., speeding) within that time.


My licence has been revoked—what’s next?

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If you’ve had your licence revoked, you need to go through the whole learning to drive process again. Start by filling out an application for a new provisional licence. When that’s through, you’ll be able to book a theory test. You’ve already passed it once, but don’t get too cocky—brush up on your theory knowledge and work on your hazard perception skills before heading to the test centre.

If you got your full licence before December 2017, you’ll find the practical test has changed since you sat it. Make sure you know how to answer the up-to-date show me/tell me questions, and be aware that you may be asked to perform different manoeuvres to your last test.

Remember that you won’t be able to practice on your own in the car anymore; you’ll need an experienced driver to be with you just as you did the first time you learnt to drive. The insurance you previously had won’t cover you as a learner, either. Instead, take a few driving lessons to prepare for your practical test. A short course is likely to help you pass again first time—and prevent you spending even more time and money on getting your licence back. It also means you can take the test in your instructor’s car, so you don’t have to worry about making sure your own car is suitable for the practical test.

Want to get your licence back as quickly as possible? Our fast-track system means we can beat practical test waiting lists by weeks—or even months!

Will the points transfer over to my new licence?

Yes. The points will remain on your driving record for the amount of time it takes for them to be expunged (4 or 11 years, depending on the offence).


FAQs

 ① What if my driving licence was issued in another country?

The ‘6 points within 2 years’ rule isn’t just for new drivers who passed their test in the UK. It also applies if you got your licence in the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Gibraltar, EU or EEA and are driving in the UK within the first 2 years of receiving that licence.

Nor do you necessarily have to be a first-time driver. If you’ve had to take another test in the UK to obtain a full licence—for example, as part of the process of exchanging a foreign licence to a British one—your 2 year probation starts as soon as you’ve passed that.

② What if I’ve already had a licence for a different vehicle?

The law is designed for new drivers—so, if you’ve already had a different UK licence for more than 2 years, then your probationary period is already up. If that’s the case, accumulating 6 points on your category B (car) driving licence—even within the first 2 year period—wouldn’t see your licence revoked.

However, you still need to watch out—12 points within any 3 year period can lead to you being banned from driving.

③ Will having my licence revoked affect my insurance?

Your current insurance will be based on you possessing a full driving licence, so it will not cover you after your licence is revoked.

Once you’ve passed your test again, make sure you are insured to drive on your full licence before hitting the roads. Penalty points will usually affect the cost of your insurance, but you must declare them. If you don’t, your insurance may be invalidated—and you could end up with even more endorsements on your driving licence.


Whether you’ve just got your licence for the first time—or have had to retake your test to get it back—the most important is that you keep safe. Take a look at our other driving tips to help you keep your licence for good.

 

By Katie Scott

Katie grew up in the middle of nowhere, so knows the true value of getting behind the wheel. From the rules of the road to handy hints and tips, she'll give you the lowdown on all things driving. Always on the move, when she's not in the car, you'll probably find Katie darting around the squash courts or out running in the rainy British countryside.

110 Comments

  1. Reply

    Joe

    is it true that before 2 years driving all points you get will be doubled, so if i got a fine with 3 points it will become 6 points and i will lose my license.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Joe,

      Your points wouldn’t be doubled in this instance. In your example, you wouldn’t lose your licence for getting 3 points. If you got another 3 within your first 2 years of driving, however, you’d lose your licence. After the 2 year mark, you’d only lose your licence if you got 12 points.

      Andy

  2. Reply

    Craig Jacobs

    I did a drivers awareness course at the beginning of the year and now been caught speeding again does that mean I will lose my licence doing 11mph over limit

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Craig,

      Whether you’d lose your licence in this instance would depend on the circumstances. If you were in a 30 mph zone, for example, then going 11 mph over the limit would get you 6 points. If you’ve had your licence for less than two years, then this could result in your licence being revoked. However, the points you would receive vary by speed limit – and, of course, if you’ve had your licence for a longer period, then you’ll only lose it once you reach 12 points, rather than six.

      Andy

  3. Reply

    Craig walker

    My mate just got flashed by a camera while doing 40 in a 30. He got 6 points on his provisional which transferred when he passed. Will his licence be revolked or could they offer a speed awareness course?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Craig,

      I believe that, in this case, your friend’s licence would be revoked due to the points he got on his provisional. However, it’s best checking with the DVSA to be sure.

      Andy

  4. Reply

    Ann

    My brother has been caught speeding (he’s expecting 6 points) can points be transferred to a different licence? Or can he plead this with the court? He hasn’t had his license for the two years yet

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Ann,

      Points can’t be transferred from one licence to another.

      Whether there’s any leeway on the number of points he’ll receive will vary depending on the circumstances. If his offence is classed as Band A, he’ll only get 3 points, and may instead be offered a speed awareness course. If it’s Band B, he may receive between 4 and 6 points—hence where the judge’s discretion comes in. If it’s Band C, however, the offence always carries at least 6 points.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  5. Reply

    john james

    Hi Andy

    My license was revoked a few years ago accumulating 6 points within first 2 years, was hoping to attain a new license. Would i lose my license again for having 6 points within first two years?

    Thanks

    john

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi John,

      When your licence is revoked, the points you received will remain on your driving record. How long they stay on there depends on the type of offence. Most offences stay on your record for 4 years; however, certain offences relating to drink or drug-driving, or causing death by careless driving, stay on your record for 11 years.

      If the 6 points you accumulated on your old licence are still on your record, then you’ll still be able to take and pass the driving test. However, getting even one more point would result in your new licence being revoked.

      If enough time has passed that these points have been expunged from your record, then the same rules will apply to you as to any other new driver—in other words, you’d lose your licence if you accumulated six points within two years of passing your new test.

      Hope this clears things up.

      Andy

  6. Reply

    Michelle

    My Daughter has had notification of 2 offences that occurred on 2/9 and 10/9/19 her 2 years driving date is 12/09/2019 …. would these 6 point automatically mean her licence is revoked i.e is it for when the offences occur or when the points are placed on her licence?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Michelle,

      This depends on the type of offence your daughter committed. If the offence is for reckless or dangerous driving, or for other, more serious offences such as drink or drug driving, then the points will apply from the date of conviction. For most offences, however, the points apply from the date of the offence itself. In that case, it does seem likely that your daughter’s licence would be revoked.

      Andy

  7. Reply

    Hani

    Hi andy,
    I receve letter writing (driving without reasonable consideration for other road users) what that mean did i cross traffic light coz there is no photo attached with letter and did my license will revoked please can help me

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Hani,

      “Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users” can refer to a range of different offences. As such, it’s impossible to say what the penalty for this would be without knowing more specific details. If it’s a fairly minor offence, you’re likely to receive a fine. More serious offences may result in larger fines of up to £5,000, and up to 9 points on your licence. The letter you received should provide more detail on the penalty you’re likely to face.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  8. Reply

    Jodi

    My son had his licence revoked, he’s applied for a new provisional and has just past his theory again, but it won’t let him rebook his practical test?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Jodi,

      In some instances, it can take a little time between passing the theory test and being able to book a new practical test in. If you’re still experiencing issues after a couple of days, it may be worth ringing up the DVSA and asking – sometimes, there’s a specific block that has to be removed manually. In this case, your son would need to call, as the DVSA generally only deal directly with the licence holder.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  9. Reply

    Murat

    Hi Andy!!!!! I accumulated 6 points on my first licence over 20 years ago when I first passed my test within 2 years and had my licence revoked because of the new drivers act. I recently passed my theory and practical test and got myself a new licence. When I had a look at my new licence on the back the valid from date was for the first time I had passed my test which was 20 years ago. Has the Dvla made a mistake or is this normal.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Murat,

      Glad to hear you’ve passed your test again! There is evidence that using the original ‘valid from’ date is standard practice when getting your licence back after being disqualified, and it shouldn’t affect your ability to drive.

      However, you will need to be careful when applying for insurance, as companies will ask how long you’ve held your licence for. In this instance, I would note the ‘valid from’ date on your licence, but also be sure to inform your insurer of the reasons for and length of your disqualification, as well as when you passed your most recent tests. You could also get in touch with the DVSA for the avoidance of any doubt.

      Hope this helps!

      Andy

  10. Reply

    Onyinye

    Hi Andy,

    This is my second licence after my first licence was revoked, however I passed my theory and practical unfortunately I receive speed camera on my second new license. Will my new second licence be revoke or do I need awareness course? Please I need reply

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Onyinye,

      It’s difficult to say what would happen in this instance without knowing more details about the circumstances, such as the reason why your previous licence was revoked and your speed at the time of the offence. If you’re wondering about your eligibility for a speed awareness course, be sure to check out our article covering the details you need to know.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  11. Reply

    Jade

    Hi ave received six points and told my licence is revoked but I have been driving for 2years and 7 months

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Jade,

      Though you may have been driving for over 2 years, the date of your offence may have been during that period. In that case, your licence would be revoked. You may also have your licence revoked after this period if you fail to hand it over to receive points on it. If neither of these apply, it may be best getting in contact with the DVSA for more information.

      Andy

  12. Reply

    Anthony White

    I have been disqualified twice for drink driving within the first 12 months of passing my car test. No points were given by the court on each occasion but DVLA wanted me to send my licence card back to them.
    I’m unsure on whether or not I’d have to retake the theory and practical test again. Could you offer some advice/your opinion on the matter or point me in the correct direction where I can get right answer?
    Thanks.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Anthony,

      As you’ve already been convicted of two drink-driving offences, you’re classed as a high risk offender. This means you will likely need to pass a medical exam in order to get your licence back.

      In this case, it doesn’t sound like you’d need to retake your tests — the court would have mentioned this in your sentencing when you were convicted.

      I can’t stress enough how important it is to stop drink-driving immediately. The consequences can be devastating both for yourself and others you share the road with. It’s simply never worth the risk.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  13. Reply

    Sally

    Hi Andy,

    I was pulled over earlier today by undercover police officers and was told I’d be getting 6 points along with a £200 fine for using my device. I was stationary at a red traffic light but I believe this is still classified as “driving”. I’ve just read online that the points for using a device whilst driving can be from 3 to 6. Is there any way of reducing it to 3 to save my license? It was issued to me in August last year do it has been jess than 2 years.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Sally,

      I’m afraid that in this case the penalty would be 6 points on your licence. This means that, if you got your licence within the past two years, it would be revoked.

      There are some mobile phone-related offences which carry a penalty of only 3 points. However, these offences involve using hands-free devices without a full view of the road (e.g., if your phone cradle obstructed your view) or without proper control of your vehicle.

      In your case, it sounds as though you were holding your device. As such, the 6 point penalty and likely revocation would stand.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  14. Reply

    M Morgan

    Hi, how would it work if I have a dual motorcycle and car licence. Bearing in mind I haven’t held both for 2 years. Would I truly lose both even though I’ve done two theory and practical tests? I know for different vehicles, but surely this proves competence on the road?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi M Morgan,

      Unfortunately, having passed two tests will have no bearing on the outcome here. If you accumulate six points within two years of passing your first full test, your licence will be revoked.

      If you’ve already held one of your two licences for over two years, though, then it’s whichever you’ve held longer that counts. So, for example, if you passed your car driving test three years ago, but passed your motorcycle test one year ago, then your probationary period would already be over, as the New Drivers Act only applies for two years after passing your first full test.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  15. Reply

    W H

    Hello,

    My friend has 3 points already and he will receive another 3 due to him going through a speed camera at around 38mph.

    He will have been driving two years before the points are given, will this cause him to lose his licence or will it now be 12?

    Are the points counted from the offence date or conviction?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi,

      The New Drivers Act states that someone’s licence can be revoked for offences “committed during the person’s probationary period”. In other words, it’s the date of the offence that counts, not the date of conviction. If your friend committed offences worth 6 points in his first 2 years of driving, then his licence could be revoked.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  16. Reply

    Jack

    Hi, i recently crashed a vehicle doing around 15-20 mph over the speed limit. I am in my probationary period and will receive 6 pts. As i was witnessed by 2 police officers what is the likely punishment and ban.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Jack,

      Unfortunately, as you’ve received 6 points within your first two years, it’s likely your licence will be revoked. You’ll need to pass your tests again if you want to get back on the road.

      Andy

  17. Reply

    Katie

    Hi Andy, do movie speed vans flash? Also do they take a photo before or after you’ve passed one?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Katie,

      Mobile speed cameras won’t necessarily flash. Forward-facing cameras often don’t flash so as to avoid dazzling oncoming drivers. Cameras can either capture your speed as you’re approaching, or after you’ve passed, depending on the model. Unfortunately, you’d need to wait 14 days for the NIP to arrive to be sure whether you’re being prosecuted.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  18. Reply

    Ovais

    Hi,

    So I’m still within the two year probation period since getting my license.

    Due to registered keeper changes, I’ve been given 3 points for what is actually my second offense (I wouldn’t have been eligible for an awareness course anyway due to the speed I was driving at).

    I’ve now received notification that I will be prosecuted for my first offense (which occurred a month before the other offense mentioned).

    Will I be offered a speed awareness course for the first offense, even though I’m already in the process of receiving 3 points for the other offense? I would definitely have been a eligible for it.

    I will lose my license if I’m not offered the course. If I had received the relevant notices in chronological order I would have been fine, but I haven’t, so I’m now worried.

    Thanks,
    Ovais

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Ovais,

      I’m afraid I’m not quite sure what the answer would be in this case. Speed awareness courses are always offered at the discretion of the police force in question, but as you’ve already been convicted of another offence it appears very unlikely that you’d be offered one. You’d need to get in contact with them directly to discuss this.

      Andy

  19. Reply

    zeshan abid

    Hello sir today i caught by police using google maps on my phone i didnt put on the holder they give me 6 points andfix penalty .i dont had any road offence .are they can refuce the points or still it will be 6

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Zeshan,

      I’m afraid that in this case, 6 points plus a £200 fine is the standard penalty for using your phone while driving.

      Andy

  20. Reply

    Arron Hill

    Hi bit confused here I was only driving a year, before I had my licence revoked due to 6 points, iv recently got my licence back, I’m just wondering if where applying for a job it’s asked have u, been driving 1 year can I say yes aa I have but my licence won’t show it

  21. Reply

    yasmine

    whats the penalty for passing a red light ?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Yasmine,

      The typical penalty here would be a £100 fine and three points on your licence. However, this can vary, and in certain circumstances (such as failing to respond to a Notice of Intended Prosecution or giving false details), the fine can be up to £1,000 with up to six points on your licence.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  22. Reply

    stefan

    i passed my test on the 18th of january 2017 and got caught on the phone out side the aldi supermarket after moving 10 feet to let someone out… on the 14th january 2019 i have been to court and had my licence revoked i am wanting to fight this as i say i only rolled the car froward 10 feet and if i do apply for a new licence do i start with 6 spend points on my licence or do i start at zero again

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Stefan,

      I’m afraid that even being on your phone while driving for a short period of time counts as using your phone while driving. The same law applies to drivers using their phone at a red light, for example.

      In this instance, you’d need to pass your tests again to get a new licence. You’d start again from 0 points with your new licence after passing.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  23. Reply

    Chantelle

    Hi there! I got pulled over today for no insurance.. i thought i was insured as i only checked last week on askMID and it said i was, i have a direct debit set up and i have the document from hastings but for whatever reason it cancelled so i was driving with no insurance without knowing, am i going to look my licence as its within the first 2 years, im a single mum and i depend on my car so much!

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Chantelle,

      Sorry to hear about this! I think the best thing to do in this instance would be to contact your insurer directly to obtain proof of your cover, as well as getting in touch with the police. If this doesn’t go in your favour, I’m afraid the usual penalty would be 6 points.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  24. Reply

    william moody

    What I don’t get is when the law came out I already had my licence for a year and had 3 points. How can they bring a law out and back date it I fort when laws came out its start the day it came out I’m I wrong as I had my licence taken off me coz I got another 3 points

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi William,

      This law applies to all drivers who have passed their test since June 1st, 1997. If you passed your test before this time, the law wouldn’t apply to you.

      Andy

  25. Reply

    Michael

    My sons insurence was cancelled and as i set it all up for him i wasnt aware as my phone over xmas was broke he got stopped and done for no insurence his insurence got cancelled because he went over his 5000 miles hes still on his probation period will he now have 6 points and have his licence revoked

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Michael,

      The usual penalty for driving with no insurance is a £300 fine and 6 points. In this case, I’m afraid it does sound like your son would have his licence revoked.

      Andy

  26. Reply

    Gail Wilson

    Hi, my son is 17 and been driving 3 months he has now got a speeding ticket 40 in a 30. Will his licence be revoked??

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Gail,

      From the sounds of things, this is your son’s first offence. In that case, given that he was going within the discretionary limits, it’s probable that he’ll be offered a course, which should mean he wouldn’t get any points on his licence. Even if he did receive the points, the penalty for speeding would be 3 points, rather than 6, so his licence would not be revoked in this instance.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  27. Reply

    Emma

    My mate have been driving for over a year with no previous driving offense but for some stupid reason got flashed by a camera twice on the same day on 2 different narrow road which has a speed limit of 30 and he did 35, will his license be revoked ? Since he got flashed twice on same day i believe that is automatically 6 points with no option of a driving awareness course right

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Emma,

      It will come down to the police force’s discretion as to whether or not to offer your friend a course. It’s not impossible that they’ll choose to offer her a course, but her second offence may count against her.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  28. Reply

    Lee

    Hi Andy,

    I have two category licence (A2) and (B) I got am expecting soon to possibly receive a band B speeding offence in the post while driving my car, would I lose my A2 licence aswell as my B licence as I have had my (a2) for 11 months and my B for 1 month?

    thanks.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Lee,

      In the eyes of the DVLA, you don’t have two separate licences, but one licence that allows you to both drive a car and ride a motorbike. Gaining 6 points within your first two years of passing your first test, in either vehicle, means your licence for both could be revoked.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  29. Reply

    Sandeep Pratap Singh

    Hi Andy, I have received 4 tickets in one week for speeding in 30 MPH zone. All 4 speeds are less than 40mph. During that week my wife was delivering my baby and I was commuting from the hospital and misunderstood that road as 40mph.

    I have got a one-speed awareness course and 3 * FPN for 3 points and £100 each. I just want to ask as I was less than 2 year driver, so ideally after 6 points my licence should revoke. In that case what will happen to my third FPN ?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Sandeep,

      It sounds like your licence will indeed be revoked. In the event of this, you will need to apply for a new provisional licence again and retake your theory and practical tests to regain your licence. Even if you get a new licence, however, these points will stay on your driving record. You will also still need to pay the fines for all three FPNs.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  30. Reply

    Himanshu

    Hi Andy,
    around three months before I got 3 points on my Licence due to exceed speed limit and £100 fine. again after three months i caught by my exceed speed limit 38 mph on 30 mph road by standing CCTV Van. I have received again “Notice of Intended Prosecution”

    What will happen Now? will i get another three points or more than that and if i get another three points and will total up to six point with previous three points than will loss my licence?

    kindly can you please let me know?
    Thanks
    Himanshu

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Himanshu,

      In this instance, it’s likely that you’ll get another 3 points on your licence. If you’ve had your licence for less than two years, then your licence would therefore be revoked.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  31. Reply

    Himanshu

    Thanks for the prompt response and confirming this to me. I had my licence for more than two years in this case i am expecting total 6 points on my licence which i need to wait to be removed in years of time. unless there is one more chance left.

    Appreciated
    kindest Regards

  32. Reply

    Sandeep

    Hi Andy, Unfortunately, I received 4 notices for going over 34/36/38/38 on a 30mph zone within a week. Say it’s my bad judgement of the road. Having said, I got a one-speed awareness course and 3FPN for 3 points and £100 each.

    If I pay for 3 notices, it will be 9 points on my license and as I am less than 2 years with my license, my license will be revoked. But If I apply for a new license, will 9 points be still there on it?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Sandeep,

      When your licence gets revoked, your points stay on your driving record. You would still be able to reapply for a licence and pass your test in this instance. However, getting just 1 more point while your other 9 are still on your record would result in your licence being revoked again.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  33. Reply

    Lucy

    Hi Andy
    for a 2nd offence in the first 2 years can I go to court to plead mitigating circumstances of losing my job if my licence gets revoked?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Lucy,

      You may be aware that, when drivers are fighting a disqualification, they’re able to use an argument of exceptional hardship. This would cover, for example, fearing that you’d lose your job in case of a ban. However, the situation is different if you’re a new driver. You can’t use an argument of exceptional hardship if you’re fighting against your licence being revoked. The only option available to you would be to make a special reasons argument—for example, if you were speeding in an emergency.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  34. Reply

    Lucy

    Thank you very much Andy, I wasn’t aware of that will see if there may be a special reasons argument that would fit the bill 🙂

  35. Reply

    Charlie Quinton

    Hi andy i had my licence revoked and passed my new lince about a year and half ago i have no points on my licence but ive just been done speeding could i lose my lince again if i get 6 points

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Charlie,

      Under the New Drivers Act, your licence can only be revoked once. You would only lose your new licence if you were disqualified—this would usually mean getting 12 points on your driving record. If you were to be disqualified, you typically wouldn’t be able to drive for a set period of time, but wouldn’t have to retake your tests.

      Hope this helps!

      Andy

  36. Reply

    Andrew Penny

    Hi Andy
    My son managed to pick up 5 speeding offences within 3-weeks recently all by motorway cameras (on the same stretch), ranging from 69 in a 60 to 98 in a 70. So far, he’s received an offer of a speed awareness course for 1, 2 x fixed penalties and 1 notice that he will need to go to court. The 5th we are still waiting to hear about. He has been driving less than 2-years.
    Firstly, if (when) his licence is revoked, is there a time period that has to elapse before he can re-apply and start the process to get back on the road (a ban period) or can he start this straight away?
    Secondly, based on the fact of 5 offences, is he better to go to court for all 5 to try to lessen the length of any disqualification?
    What do you think he could reasonably expect as best case scenario? And what could be worst case?
    Thanks
    Andrew

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Andrew,

      It seems fairly certain that your son’s licence would be revoked. Normally, it’s possible to reapply for a licence immediately after revocation. However, as it seems likely that your son will have at least 12 points on his driving record, he may be subject to disqualification (a driving ban) as well as revocation. Drivers who receive 12 or more points will typically be banned from driving for a period of six months. The court may also order your son to take an extended driving test in order to obtain a new licence.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  37. Reply

    Andrew Penny

    Thanks Andy, that’s helpful

  38. Reply

    Aimee Bond nd

    I was pulled over by a police car today saying I had no insurance.
    I was under the impression that my partner took out a muti car policy in February. So I cancelled my insurance as it was cheaper to do the muti car.
    The short story is there was no insurance policy for whatever reason. I insured my car on the road side and drove home.
    I have been covered on my own insurance since I passed my test and only cancelled thinking I was insured under partners policy.
    I have a professional job working as a trainnee social worker and CAN NOT lose my licence.
    I am now fully insured but waiting for my court date. Is there anything I can do I have held my licence for 1 year 4 months.
    Please help.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Aimee,

      If you genuinely believed that you had insurance at the time you were pulled over, you may be able to use this as a defence in court. However, as it is your duty to have an insurance policy in place, the court may decide that you should have ensured your partner set up the policy properly.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  39. Reply

    Dild

    I was speeding doing 53 on a 30 and was caught by a camera van this was on the 7/02/2020 and now I have been passed over 2 years on the 12/05/2020 I have provided details of the driver before but they said that I haven’t so now I have been sent a letter to say if it was me or if it wasn’t to go court.
    If I admit it being me what will the worst case be,will I lose my licence?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Dild,

      If you’re found guilty of not providing driver information, you could get six points on your driving record. In this case, you could indeed lose your licence. However, if you have previously provided information, you may be able to use this as a defence in court.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  40. Reply

    Dild

    Hi andy thanks for your reply I read the letter again they said if I plead guilty they will ignore the not providing details but in that case I would get 6 points but would I still lose my licence as I have been passed for 2 years now

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Dild,

      You could still lose your licence even though it’s now been more than two years since you passed. That’s because it’s the date of the offence that counts, and not the current date.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  41. Reply

    Huseyin Halil

    Hello andy just a quick question I passed my driving test 20 years ago and lost my driving license due to drink driving and went on a medical I dont think I even had my license 2 years so I was on probation period. but iv passed again 18 months ago 2018 and got 6 points for speeding doing 20mph over the speed limit in a 30 zone, am I on probation period now or not as I passed my test years ago but might of not of got tru the probation period back then ?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Huseyin,

      The two-year probation period only applies once. As you lost your licence and retook your tests, this rule no longer applies. You would now need 12 points to be disqualified.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  42. Reply

    Huseyin

    Hi Andy thanks for a quick reply wot iv red is that the new driver act dont apply if it to do with drink driving so Im a bit confused .

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Huseyin,

      You don’t have to go through the probationary period twice. Even if you lost your licence within the first two years when you were disqualified for drink driving, you shouldn’t have to go through another probationary period.

      Andy

  43. Reply

    Robert

    Hi Andy, my friends son was disqualified for 12 months after being accused of drug driving and being found guilty at court. His licence was also revoked.
    The DVLA have now sent out a letter to reapply for his full licence back and are asking for £65. Will have to resit his test or will his licence be valid after disqualification period.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Robert,

      If your friend’s son’s licence was revoked, then he’ll need to reapply and sit new tests in order to drive again.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  44. Reply

    Ben Bradley

    Hi Andy. Is the ‘within 2 year’s ‘ period 24 month or does it extend to before 3 year? I’ve been issued a speed awareness course recently and I believe I may have been caught doing around 45 in a 30 zone. What’s the worse case scenario? Thanks in advance

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Ben,

      The period lasts until 2 years after you pass your test. So, for example, if you passed your test on 1st January 2018, the period would end on 1st January 2020. It won’t extend past this date.

      Going 45 mph in a 30 mph zone would generally get you a fine of 75%–125% of your weekly income and anywhere from 4 to 6 points on your licence. Assuming you’ve had your licence for more than 2 years, this wouldn’t, on its own, result in disqualification.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  45. Reply

    Paul

    Hi andy just a quick question. I had 2 cars, both insured with same company on different policies. I phoned up to cancel 1 car as i sold it, but when i phoned up to cancel they didn’t ask for reg or policy number of car to cancel and i just said i sold my car and need to cancel insurance unaware they cancelled the wrong car. I got pulled by the police few days later, they told me my car wasn’t insured. I got in touch with the insurance company who said i’d cancelled my personal car and not the car i sold but not sure how they come to this conclusion as they didn’t ask for policie or reg number of car to be cancelled when i phoned up. Thanks in advance.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Paul,

      As driving without insurance is a strict liability offence, it’s highly likely that you’ll be given the standard penalty of 6 points for this. If you have evidence that you intended to cancel the other car’s insurance policy, you may be able to present this in court as part of your defence.

      Andy

  46. Reply

    Afshan

    Police caught my husband with car insurance under 2 years . We paid £300 and surrender his license for 6 points now what Will happen ? Like are they allow him to drive or they will revoke and what Will be the process if want to drive again .

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Afshan,

      If your husband had his licence for less than two years and received six points, his licence would be revoked. He would need to apply for a new licence and pass both tests again in order to drive.

      Hope this helps!

      Andy

  47. Reply

    Callistus

    Hi Andy

    I got 6 points on my license, I was caught driving my dad’s car but my name wasn’t on the insurance policies so I was given £270 fine to pay and 6 points on my licences, I’m Nigerian I’ve got an Italian license but now my license is in process of exchanging my eu driving license to a uk one I haven’t yet received it , it has not yet been issued, I’ve held this license for 2 year and 7 month before this happened, will my license be revoked?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Callistus,

      As it’s been more than two years since you passed your driving test, you shouldn’t be subject to the New Drivers Act. This means that your licence shouldn’t be revoked.

      Hope this helps,

      Andy

  48. Reply

    stephen

    Hi, my son just got 2* 3 points within a week of each other and is less than 2 years driving. So I guess his licence will be revoked. But at what point must he stop using his car? From day he send off Licence or when he is formally notified that licence revoked?
    Thanks

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Stephen,

      When your son receives notification from the DVLA that his licence is revoked, he should stop driving immediately.

      Hope this helps,

      Andy

  49. Reply

    Colin

    My son is facing 6 points and disqualification as a young driver, it seems he could go to court and argue for a Ban as he needs to car to travel between home, university and work placement, instead of licence revocation. Is the insurance cost worse for having had a ban or revocation of licence, as we need to take this into account when decided which to go for.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Colin,

      Any kind of motoring conviction brings with it the risk of higher insurance premiums. Getting 4-6 points on your licence, for example, typically results in costs that are 25% higher than those paid by other drivers. While I wouldn’t be able to provide any exact figures for those whose licence has previously been revoked, your son can definitely expect to pay more for his premiums as a result.

      Hope this helps,

      Andy

  50. Reply

    Billy

    Hi Andy,

    Thanks for your amazing answers. I read them one by one even I don’t have a car.

    Recently , I want to buy a car. I got my license 2.5 year ago but I never drive or own a car since then. I am wondering , in this case, can I get 12 points?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Billy,

      The two years counts from the date when you pass your test, not from when you buy a car. In your case, this means that your licence wouldn’t be revoked after six points.

      Hope this helps,

      Andy

  51. Reply

    john

    So can some one help a clear things up with me please my brother was driving my car he was on motor way witch is normal 70 but due to road works it changed to 50 he say he didnt realize as his never driven that part of the moto way so eney way he got sent a letter saying his doing 57 in 50 his had his licence 1 year and 3 months what would be the out come pay the fine and point or is he looking at lose of liscence

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi John,

      If your brother hasn’t had any previous driving offences, it’s likely that he’d be offered a course. This would avoid any points being put on his licence.

      If this isn’t an option, the penalty for speeding is usually 3 points and a £100 fine. Again, providing that he has had no other points on his licence, he wouldn’t lose his licence. He would only lose it if he got 6 points or more in his first 2 years.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  52. Reply

    Kizzy

    Hi Joe. I had been driving under 2 years and have had my license revoked and 6 points added on to it. The points are removed in 2024. Does this mean if I retake my test again and pass I will be revoked again?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Kizzy,

      Your licence can only be revoked once. If you pass again, you will start off with 6 points on your record, but won’t lose your licence.

      Hope this helps,

      Andy

  53. Reply

    Kelvin

    I was convicted with DD40 in April 2015 and was disqualified for one year and half, and it expired in 2017. In April 2020 (4 years period), it expired on my driving record. I checked my driving licence information online, and it says EXPIRED and REMOVED. But I can still see it online against my information. Please how do DVLA remove this completely from my online record?

    Also, I now have a new driving licence and passed my driving test; do I need to declare to an insurance company about the spent conviction?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Kelvin,

      Though you personally will be able to see the spent conviction, this shouldn’t be shown to employers or car hire companies when you provide them with a driving licence check code. Only you will have access to this information. If you do still wish to have this removed entirely from the record, then it may be best to contact the DVLA directly.

      If your conviction is spent, you don’t need to declare it to an insurance firm.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  54. Reply

    Sagar suresh

    I am using indian licence here. Becase 12 months its valid over uk to drive. I buy a car and police caught me without insurance. Actually i have insurance which starts only after 2days. But the police sease my car and i need to pay 250pound to release my car. After 2months i got a letter from court. Unfortunately i move from that adress and i got the letter after 2months. So i mail to them and the charge me 660pound fine and 6 points in my licence. If they cut 6 points from my licence can i drive anymore?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Sagar,

      It is not possible for UK courts to add points to an Indian licence. As such, this should not affect your ability to drive. However, the DVLA will create what is known as a ‘skeleton record’ of your points. This means that, if you ever decide to apply for a UK licence, these points will appear on your UK driving record.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

  55. Reply

    Sagar suresh

    Can i drive with indian licence?
    The court charged me a fine of 660 pound. I got the letter on last week. The reason is i moved from my old adress and the letter reaches to there. The tenentas reach on that adress only on last week. Is there any chance to get a reduction on the fine amount?

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Sagar,

      You should be able to drive on your Indian licence.

      Whether you are able to appeal your fine depends on if you updated the address on your driving licence and log book (V5C) in a timely manner. If you did, then you may be able to argue your case, as the error would be on the DVLA’s part. Otherwise, you will need to pay the original fine amount.

      Andy

  56. Reply

    emma

    hi I had my license for just under 1 year I followed other cars on the hard shoulder to get off the next junction as we was stuck in traffic and drove in the hard shoulder all the cars including me got stopped and reg took down what will happen will I lose my licence for that daft mistake I did

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Emma,

      Driving on a hard shoulder will typically come with a £100 fine and 3 points on your licence. However, it’s not clear how many points you already had on your driving record. I’d advise you to check your driving record online to see how many points you have. If you already had 3 or more, then the extra 3 points you’d get for driving on the hard shoulder may mean that you could lose your licence.

      Andy

  57. Reply

    Tinny

    Hi
    I passed for the first in 2016 and lost 6 points my license was revoked. In 2019 October passed as a new driver second time.
    I’ve just lost 6 points through speeding. Will I lose my license and restart as a new driver.

    1. Reply

      Andy Boardman

      Hi Tinny,

      Your licence can only be revoked once. This means that you won’t lose your licence for 6 points. However, be aware that you could face a disqualification if you get 12 points or more.

      Hope this helps.

      Andy

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